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	<title>Comments on: Adventure #37 &#8211; Paragons and Pariahs of the Free Model</title>
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	<description>Indiana Jim, the intrepid archGEEKologist, is the answer to the cynics.  Running the gamut of geek influences, Jim discusses the latest geek headlines, interviews Sci-Fi and Fantasy authors, discusses writing, publishing and building community in the age of Social Media, random sketch comedy and moments of laugh-out-loud insanity.  Life is an adventure, and if adventure has a podcast... it must be Indiana Jim.</description>
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		<title>By: AIJ Special Edition #7 &#8211; Interview With Tee Morris &#124; The Adventures of Indiana Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>AIJ Special Edition #7 &#8211; Interview With Tee Morris &#124; The Adventures of Indiana Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 22:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] you&#8217;ll get 26 minutes of outtakes about other topics, specifically some of his reaction to Adventure #37, Paragons and Pariahs of the Free Model, so be sure to return for that! &#160;  &#160;Standard Podcast [58:18m]: Play Now &#124; Play in Popup &#124; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: I-12 Jack J Ward : Wander Radio</title>
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		<dc:creator>I-12 Jack J Ward : Wander Radio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 21:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Indiana Jim has weighed in on this as well. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Indiana Jim</title>
		<link>http://podcast.indianajim.net/2010/03/01/adventure-37-paragons-and-pariahs-of-the-free-model/comment-page-1/#comment-2230</link>
		<dc:creator>Indiana Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 05:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never felt pressured by J.C. to purchase 7th Son.  I also cannot say that J.C. ever implied his audience was somehow responsible for 7th Son&#039;s sales performance.  Others might have implied it, but J.C. did not.

Scott Sigler is no stranger to the cult of personality.  Part of Sigler&#039;s attraction is his high energy level and his style of faux-insult humor for his Junkies.  J.C.&#039;s brand, if I may be so bold to say, has been centered around the thriller/intrigue mode thus far, with the 7th Son trilogy, a short-story anthology and Personal Effects: Dark Art.  I&#039;ve never thought of J.C. as simply selling a personality, but to each his own interpretation I suppose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never felt pressured by J.C. to purchase 7th Son.  I also cannot say that J.C. ever implied his audience was somehow responsible for 7th Son&#8217;s sales performance.  Others might have implied it, but J.C. did not.</p>
<p>Scott Sigler is no stranger to the cult of personality.  Part of Sigler&#8217;s attraction is his high energy level and his style of faux-insult humor for his Junkies.  J.C.&#8217;s brand, if I may be so bold to say, has been centered around the thriller/intrigue mode thus far, with the 7th Son trilogy, a short-story anthology and Personal Effects: Dark Art.  I&#8217;ve never thought of J.C. as simply selling a personality, but to each his own interpretation I suppose.</p>
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		<title>By: J.C. Hutchins</title>
		<link>http://podcast.indianajim.net/2010/03/01/adventure-37-paragons-and-pariahs-of-the-free-model/comment-page-1/#comment-2229</link>
		<dc:creator>J.C. Hutchins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 00:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jack: You wrote: &quot;JC feels the contract was broken...&quot;. You infer that I have somehow shifted the blame regarding recent developments onto my valued audience.

However, the blog post that announced my departure from podcasting Free fiction stated: &quot;I dare not assign responsibility to anyone but myself for this.&quot; I cannot think of a plainer way to phrase this conclusion, which in no way indicts my audience.

Regarding your observation that my &quot;brand&quot; (and the apparent audience motivation to monetarily support my work) was based on my personality and not the quality of my fiction: I cannot reasonably contest this, as it is your opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jack: You wrote: &#8220;JC feels the contract was broken&#8230;&#8221;. You infer that I have somehow shifted the blame regarding recent developments onto my valued audience.</p>
<p>However, the blog post that announced my departure from podcasting Free fiction stated: &#8220;I dare not assign responsibility to anyone but myself for this.&#8221; I cannot think of a plainer way to phrase this conclusion, which in no way indicts my audience.</p>
<p>Regarding your observation that my &#8220;brand&#8221; (and the apparent audience motivation to monetarily support my work) was based on my personality and not the quality of my fiction: I cannot reasonably contest this, as it is your opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://podcast.indianajim.net/2010/03/01/adventure-37-paragons-and-pariahs-of-the-free-model/comment-page-1/#comment-2228</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 16:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good show Jim, Thanks to Jack Hosley for sending me here to it.
I think you bring up a number of good points, but I think that there are a few more elements that are missing.
One is... You can over promote yourself and turn people off. I&#039;m not saying JC did that, but I have noticed recently other people turning off shows because they feel that there&#039;s a pressure on them by the Podcasters to buy their stuff, pay for their content and the like. 
If people feel pressured, they&#039;re likely to walk away. As Terry O&#039;Reilly says though in the Age of Persuasion (and if you&#039;re not listening to the Age of Persuasion Podcast why not?! Its the best podcast on marketing and advertising especially in audio there is out there!) there&#039;s a contract between the advertisers and the listeners. It&#039;s an unspoken contract. JC feels the contract was broken, but I don&#039;t think the contract was as spelled out for the listeners of his podcasts... and that&#039;s one of the problems.

Another is, I can sum up Sig briefly. &quot;shock horror writer&quot; That doesn&#039;t mean he can&#039;t do anything else, but what it does mean is that he&#039;s an easily identified brand and proved it time and again over a half dozen novels. J.C&#039;s character as a brand was his personality, and that&#039;s something you experience, not something you can sell as easily.
Cheers,
J</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good show Jim, Thanks to Jack Hosley for sending me here to it.<br />
I think you bring up a number of good points, but I think that there are a few more elements that are missing.<br />
One is&#8230; You can over promote yourself and turn people off. I&#8217;m not saying JC did that, but I have noticed recently other people turning off shows because they feel that there&#8217;s a pressure on them by the Podcasters to buy their stuff, pay for their content and the like.<br />
If people feel pressured, they&#8217;re likely to walk away. As Terry O&#8217;Reilly says though in the Age of Persuasion (and if you&#8217;re not listening to the Age of Persuasion Podcast why not?! Its the best podcast on marketing and advertising especially in audio there is out there!) there&#8217;s a contract between the advertisers and the listeners. It&#8217;s an unspoken contract. JC feels the contract was broken, but I don&#8217;t think the contract was as spelled out for the listeners of his podcasts&#8230; and that&#8217;s one of the problems.</p>
<p>Another is, I can sum up Sig briefly. &#8220;shock horror writer&#8221; That doesn&#8217;t mean he can&#8217;t do anything else, but what it does mean is that he&#8217;s an easily identified brand and proved it time and again over a half dozen novels. J.C&#8217;s character as a brand was his personality, and that&#8217;s something you experience, not something you can sell as easily.<br />
Cheers,<br />
J</p>
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		<title>By: DanDanTheArtMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>DanDanTheArtMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 17:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;re right about the whole 3 to 5 year plan. I also think that having several normal length novels, coming out consistently may be a reason Scott has been more successful. Look at Nathan Lowell, he has long gaps between each book coming out, but he&#039;s put out 7 books since he&#039;s started. 7 complete novels, that&#039;s staggering! He has done hardly any promotion at all, I never hear a bumper/promo for his stuff, and it&#039;s only available on Podiobooks.com &amp; iTunes, he doesn&#039;t have a special different version anywhere. He&#039;s got a publishing deal with Ridan, and I think it&#039;s because he&#039;s put so many books out in such a small amount of time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re right about the whole 3 to 5 year plan. I also think that having several normal length novels, coming out consistently may be a reason Scott has been more successful. Look at Nathan Lowell, he has long gaps between each book coming out, but he&#8217;s put out 7 books since he&#8217;s started. 7 complete novels, that&#8217;s staggering! He has done hardly any promotion at all, I never hear a bumper/promo for his stuff, and it&#8217;s only available on Podiobooks.com &amp; iTunes, he doesn&#8217;t have a special different version anywhere. He&#8217;s got a publishing deal with Ridan, and I think it&#8217;s because he&#8217;s put so many books out in such a small amount of time.</p>
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		<title>By: chrisw10</title>
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		<dc:creator>chrisw10</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 04:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not here to comment on the big picture part of this right now, but something that has bothered me about how everyone can afford to promote their careers and novels and projects, and go to all of these cons to boot.  

I&#039;ve always wondered how all the big names I&#039;ve heard manage to do it.  And the answer that occurred to me this week is... they can&#039;t.  Seems to me that JC may have gone wrong in at least one thing; he went into debt to promote his novels.  

I&#039;m not a business guy... it doesn&#039;t come naturally to me.  It&#039;s something I have to work at.  So maybe someone can correct me where I&#039;m wrong, add details that flesh out the context, and help me figure out what exactly is going on.  But it seems to me that if one wishes to make a living being an author, one shouldn&#039;t spend all the money before one makes it.  

The old adage for agent and publisher hunting is that money is supposed to flow to the author, not from the author.  May I humbly suggest that any sound business plan takes this into account as well?  And that&#039;s what promotion should be to those who want to make a living writing books. The business guys call this ROI, or return on investment.  And a good ROI shouldn&#039;t put you into debt, it seems to me.  Or at the very least, it should at least guarantee a zero balance and not a negative one, if the worst-case scenario occurs.

I don&#039;t think anybody can afford to &quot;throw everything at the wall to see what sticks&quot; unless you are already rolling in cash.  So in addition to the author&#039;s thoughts on the article you mentioned, I think taking a budget into account is a smart way to limit bad risks while accessing which risks are smart.

Just two cents to keep in mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not here to comment on the big picture part of this right now, but something that has bothered me about how everyone can afford to promote their careers and novels and projects, and go to all of these cons to boot.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always wondered how all the big names I&#8217;ve heard manage to do it.  And the answer that occurred to me this week is&#8230; they can&#8217;t.  Seems to me that JC may have gone wrong in at least one thing; he went into debt to promote his novels.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a business guy&#8230; it doesn&#8217;t come naturally to me.  It&#8217;s something I have to work at.  So maybe someone can correct me where I&#8217;m wrong, add details that flesh out the context, and help me figure out what exactly is going on.  But it seems to me that if one wishes to make a living being an author, one shouldn&#8217;t spend all the money before one makes it.  </p>
<p>The old adage for agent and publisher hunting is that money is supposed to flow to the author, not from the author.  May I humbly suggest that any sound business plan takes this into account as well?  And that&#8217;s what promotion should be to those who want to make a living writing books. The business guys call this ROI, or return on investment.  And a good ROI shouldn&#8217;t put you into debt, it seems to me.  Or at the very least, it should at least guarantee a zero balance and not a negative one, if the worst-case scenario occurs.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think anybody can afford to &#8220;throw everything at the wall to see what sticks&#8221; unless you are already rolling in cash.  So in addition to the author&#8217;s thoughts on the article you mentioned, I think taking a budget into account is a smart way to limit bad risks while accessing which risks are smart.</p>
<p>Just two cents to keep in mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 02:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link out, sir.

-- c.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link out, sir.</p>
<p>&#8211; c.</p>
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		<title>By: The struggles of writing and publishing using the Free Model &#124; Broadcasting Brain - different thoughts about thinking differently</title>
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		<dc:creator>The struggles of writing and publishing using the Free Model &#124; Broadcasting Brain - different thoughts about thinking differently</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 00:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (March 1, 2010) &#8211; Indiana Jim&#8217;s podcast #37 has a lot of great analysis and thinking about podcasting working to become professional writers, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mark Dykeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Dykeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 00:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jim.  Thanks for linking out to my post.  I really enjoy the analysis and thinking that you put into this podcast.  I think J.C.&#039;s experiences certainly make a fascinating and hopefully relevant case study for these new adventures in publishing.  However, Scott Sigler&#039;s experiences present an interesting counterpoint, so thanks for  bringing that forward as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jim.  Thanks for linking out to my post.  I really enjoy the analysis and thinking that you put into this podcast.  I think J.C.&#8217;s experiences certainly make a fascinating and hopefully relevant case study for these new adventures in publishing.  However, Scott Sigler&#8217;s experiences present an interesting counterpoint, so thanks for  bringing that forward as well.</p>
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